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IKON FCL - The Factory Video Archive

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Last Updated on Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:57 Written by Ken Foster

Ian Curtis - Here Are The Young Men IKON2 

In 1978 Factory Records created a boutique video arm called IKON FCL. Capturing historic gigs by Joy Division, New Order and The Smiths to name but a few, the operation was run by Malcolm Whitehead and in 1982 Brian Nicholson became involved. Much of their output has only ever been released on VHS or Betamax cassettes. We caught up with Brian to find out how it all began and the ultimate fate of the archive.
 
Strummer: I remember sitting on the front row of the circle at Manchester Apollo when you were filming the gig where JD supported the Buzzcocks over 2 nights.
That became IKON2 the second release after the compilation IKON1 a Factory compilation.
Do you have any memories of the gigs and why it was only ever released on VHS?

BN: That gig was filmed by a friend of Richard Boon. The Ikon2/Fact 37 compilation video was released through Ikon/Factory as Here Are The Young Men. It is now owned by Cherry Red. The original VHS tape featuring both gigs was returned to the band by myself two years ago. The original VHS is far superior to the HATYM release and would make an interersting release but as far as I'm aware nothing is on the cards, though its likely to surface eventually, it's culturally significant if not visually riveting. Same goes for the Plan K tape.

Strummer: How did you get involved in the IKON FCL project initially.

BN: I got involved because I bought the Fact 56 release A Factory Video and thought, in a positive way, " I could do that". I worked (and still work) as a video technician at Blackburn College and we had similar equipment to Ikon. (JVC 3 tube cameras and low band umatic recorders) I became a member of the Hacienda, in the Fac51 fanzine Claude Bessy asked for members to send in their videos for the club screens. I sent in some stuff, won some tickets, got talking to Claude and Tim Chambers and asked if I could film the club empty during daylight. I went down one cold November day in 1982, shot the video and got talking to Malcolm Whitehead and Claude. Malc asked if I'd like to make a video with Section 25 I said yes and that was that. 

Strummer: It's rumored there are full unreleased concerts in existence featuring The Smiths, Joy Division and New Order.

BN: There should be three full concerts of The Smiths at The Hacienda, I've got a copy of a number of songs but not complete gigs. As far as I'm aware all master tapes and ownership went to Rough Trade. JD, as mentioned there are the two Apollo gigs and also the full Plan K gig on VHS. I returned these to the band in 2008 as I did a full NO gig at the Hacienda.

Strummer: Aside from the 49? known IKON artifacts, how much other archive material do you have?

BN: Lots and lots.  I have about six minutes worth of Super 8mm Joy Division tootage that are the outtakes from Malcolm Whitehead's Joy Division film, the audio master tape of the Bowden Vale 14 March 1979 gig; 37 minutes of rehearsal room wild audio tracks including a fantastic jam session (plus 16 mins of abandoned interview audio); full 31 minute Rob Gretton interview from March 1979. (Any realistic offers on the JD material will be given careful consideration) I have a Super 8mm film of The Panik at The Last Night of the Electric Circus with wild audio (The Panik were managed by Rob Gretton). Also some abandoned Super 8 test footage that Malcolm Whitehead was shooting for a proposed film to go with Dead Souls. A silent Super 8 film of Stockholm Monsters in rehearsal. On the video side I could go on for pages: OMD live at Hammersmith; footage of the empty Hacienda 1982 and 1989. Full Inspiral Carpets gig at the Hacienda; ESG singing You're No Good from the opening night; one off edited clips of live performances at the Hacienda - Culture Club; Yazoo; Gregory Issacs; Klaus Schultz; ACR; Orange Juice; Teardrop Explodes; the Bunnymen; Rip Rig and Panic; Neubatens; Nick Cave/Bad Seeds; Ludus; Violent Femmes; Swans; Bow Wow Wow; Dome etc. Lots of gigs of the bands Slab! and Dub Sex (both projects abandoned). Sonic Youth at MMU...lots more stuff like Part 1 of Facus 5;ACR vids;Stretchheads, Lunachicks, Mekons etc 

Strummer: I remember seeing Tony Wilson filming the New Order gig at The Elizabeth Gaskell Hall in Manchester in 1981. I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about that footage?

BN: I'm sure the footage of Ceremony on FACT 56 was from that gig. I know there was a gig filmed in Rochdale by Tony that was abandoned as the sound was overloaded.

Just before Factory went under a lot of tapes were returned to Factory. I was told by Tony that they were either stolen or lost in a flood at Alan Erasmus' house. 


Strummer: IKON21 was a 50 minute film by yourself. Can you tell us a little more about it?

BN: Its a collection of experimental sketches that owed a lot to me reading about Fluxxus and seeing video art coming out of the US from the likes of John Sanborn; William Wegman etc. There are pieces such as Food Adores The Love of a Fat Man; Train Late on Time; Penguin etc.It covered a whole range of feelings and ideas, from the informality and carelessness of language; empathy for inanimate objects; eating etc I enjoyed making it and it was edited over a number of weeks by myself and Malcolm Whitehead. It was shown at the Edinburgh Festival in 1987 and in New York and the Netherlands.
 
Strummer: How likely is it that your archive material will see an official release? I've heard that Bernard Sumner isn't interested in releasing any of the New Order / JD stuff (this is anecdotal). Can you say anything about that?
 
BN: I can't say really because i don't know. We still do the odd show. It'll all end up floating about in cyberpsace eventually before the ferric oxide folds into dust.

Strummer: A lot of the people in and around the enigma that was Factory Records have chosen to write books etc and some have gone the whole hog to exploit the legacy for all it's worth.
Have you any plans to revisit that period of your career in some way.?
 
BN: I wouldn't call it part of my career, it was tremendous fun and I knew at the time that it was something special.We will present in written or video form the whole Ikon story at some point but we aren't interested in any vanity projects really. Malcolm's story of Ikon a is different angle of the Factory story and needs telling. Horses mouth stuff rather than a revisionist fairytale.

Strummer: Everyone seems to have an amusing anecdote about AHW. My most vivid one is that every time I saw him filming for IKON several members of the audience would shout something along the lines of  'Hey look it's Tony Wilson, hey Wilson you're a wanker!'. Do you have any lasting memories of him good or bad?
 
BN: I don't have any amusing memories that I would want to tell online but then I wasn't really involved on a day to day basis. I do remember people not liking him or having a go at him, especially the bands. He was an academic really and my viewpoint is that I think some of the bands took it more seriously career wise than he did, they had dreams. He was a tremendous enabler but not a very good businessman but without that you wouldn't have had the romance and myth that emanated from Palatine Road and Old Broadway. I also think he was a great Granada man, bringing culture to the masses.

Strummer: How close did you get to the bands and what did you think of the films '24 hour party people' and 'Control'.
 
BN: You get close when your making the video but then you move on.  I thought 24HPP was ace from a Tony Wilson perspective. The reason I liked it was that it played around with how history product is prone to being a skewed version of events. It was laugh out loud, wasn't afraid to be intelligent and Tony Wison as Alan Partridge was a great reading of the man. Control I haven't seen.  
                 

Strummer: What are you doing these days. Are you still involved with film/directing?
 
BN: Still involved with bands at college. Made videos for bands such as tompaulin; Chewy Benson; Maupa and the Broken Family Band recently.  At college I set up a TV studio in 1991 and over recent years we done live sessions for lots of bands. Over the past three years we've done sessions with students for bands such as  Biffy Clyro; Idelwild; Duke Special; Charlotte Hatherley etc. Also have a link with the Get It Loud in Libraries people and the Saatchi Gallery Art & Music magazine and we've made some great videos over the past couple of years with people such as Robert Forster; Scroobius Pip; Everything Everything; Blitzen Trapper; Steve Mason; Let's Wrestle; John Squire etc. The other week we had Edwyn Collins (and Paul Cook on drums!) in to christen out new HD studio - got to say that was fantastic, what a nice bunch of people.  
http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artandmusic/index.php?video=1&play=146

 
Strummer: Did you have a working relationship with Claude Bessy and if so, how did you hook up (considering his wide range and
interests)....?
 
BN: I didn't have a close working realtionship with Claude other than talking to him in a pub or having a giggle in the video booth at the Hacienda, he was an amazing character and was very charming. He seemed to know lots of people on the darker side of the music industry. I remember sitting with him and Mike Butterworth from Savoy books holding a copy of Charles Manson's Bible which belonged to Boyd Rice who was playing at the club. Tim Chambers told me that when William Burroughs was at the Hacienda he saw him and said "What the fuck are you doing here Claude?". Malcolm Whitehead is the man to ask about Claude.

November 2010
 

Section 25 - Retro fits the Techno

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Last Updated on Thursday, 07 October 2010 14:05 Written by Ken Foster

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Having interviewed Vin and Larry shortly after the release of Part Primitiv (Section 25's much acclaimed 'comeback' album), I hardly expected them to go on and arguably better it with the stunning 2009 release 'Nature & Degree'. Sandwiched inbetween was a 'best of' album 'Dirty Disco' and retrospective acknowledgements of their previously released and largely overlooked catalogue, prompting the Guardian to list 'From the Hip' as one of the essential albums to hear before you die.
 
The Section 25 ship was finally docking and with the promise of a major new remix/re-recording project in the works it was an exciting time for all involved. The untimely passing of Larry Cassidy this year was a real body blow and yet now a few months later I was able to interview Vin and Larry's daughter Beth in resolute and optimistic moods ahead of the new album and tour.
 
They both spoke eloquently and candidly about Larry, the music press, factory and a new direction for Section 25 that was a pleasure to be privy to. Now completely acknowledging the family ties that bind the whole thing together it is yet again the start of a new exciting chapter in the Section 25 journey.
 
The interview is available in full using the links below. For newcomers it may be advantageous to take a look at the previous interview from 2008 here and also what promises to be a very special series of live dates starting in September:
 
Thurs 16th Sept, The Musician, Leicester

Fri 22nd Oct, The North Bar, Blackburn

Sat 20th Nov, The Factory, Manchester

Sun 5th Dec, Rhiz Modern, Vienna

Sat,11th Dec, The Beat Club, Blackpool

More info at the Section 25 website

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Dr. Dog retains their bark and bite!

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Last Updated on Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:52 Written by Dave

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Throughout the last decade that cemented the role of the talent show, as the crooked road into a music career. In West Philadelphia, a jaunty, often lyrically simplistic, but dusty, mysterious and genuine old school indie epitomising act Dr Dog, carried on producing ranging album after ranging album. Taking recognition when it came and not grumbling or changing their ways when it didn’t. Driven by founding members Scott McMicken, and Toby Leaman, Dr. Dog have found the right balance between repetition for impact and, repetition that is not grating and irritating. If only they’d have taught that skill to The Subways then the world would be a better place?

2008’s horn fuelled and piano tinkered sojourn of ‘Fate’, is probably the album that people with a little more than a passing interest in Dr. Dog would tell you to purchase if you only purchased one album of their albums. However, there is an argument for proclaiming that the best introduction to this ranging band would be ‘Easy Beat’. The full range McMicken and company is on offer here, from longing and bluesy to carefree, fuzzy and poppy. Keyboardist, Zach Miller agrees to uncover the veil on their, at times, mysterious ways and approach.

1.  Is it an internet myth, half-truth or fact to say that it was My Morning Jacket who helped you achieve recognition, when in 2003 their front man, Jim James got hold of a copy of one of your demos?  Do you still have much to do with them?

Zach:  Fact. We haven’t had anything to do with them “professionally” since that tour until Jim came to sing on our new record.  We still see them around the country and remain good pals but we hope someday to do another tour together. 

2.  Arguably your most popular of your six albums is, ‘Fate’. Do you agree with this? Describe your moods whilst compiling it, what were your aims with this one?

Zach: I’m pretty sure if we haven’t sold more of “Shame, Shame” we definitely will by the end so not by that measure.  But sure up until the new one, most people knew “Fate.”  Anyway we wanted to make a more musically direct album this time with less ornamentation.             

3.  You’ve been around as a band since the turn of the last decade. How do you think that this last decade will be remembered (talent shows aside of course)?

Zach: Digital democracy decade.  Nobody had webpages or cellphones or emails when we started.  All that stuff was just beginning.  It’s a lot different now.  Now you have a webpage before you have a band

4.  How representative is your new album ‘Shame Shame’, to the sound/vibe of your back catalogue? Before penning this album did you take time to reflect on your previous material?

Zach: No.  We were just focusing on the songs and responding to the mood of the lyrics.  We don’t really look back to make sure we’re in line with our sound or anything like that.  We know who we are and we know what kind of music we like and, we know we can make music that we love to listen to and that’s really our only mind-frame at the time.

5.  Describe the Philadelphia scene that you expanded out of, how well did you fit in with it?

Zach: The scene at the time we were coming up was amazing.  There were so many great bands who unfortunately didn’t really make it out with us.  There are some who are still active but in the beginning I thought “wow, all of these bands are going to be huge” but it didn’t really work out like that.

6.  Which of your songs sum up your current mood and why?

Zach:  I’ve had “I Only Wear Blue” in my head for a while now.  I don’t know if it’s speaking to anything though.


7.  A topical question; are festivals a good or bad thing for music?

Zach: I think they’re at best a good showcase, but they can be special.  You’re really working against the odds in a lot of those situations.  You have to completely set up and soundcheck in 20 or 30 minutes and pray that nothing goes haywire.  Then thousands of people show up and you have to play 45 minutes in the sun and wind while trying to get your monitors right.  It’s a good test for a band and it’s a good chance for people to see a lot of different music.  I’ve seen a lot of bands I never would have seen otherwise so sure I think they’re a good experience but for most bands it’s far from a definitive experience.

8.  For me, the album that covers your full range is the understated ‘Easy Beat’. From the delightfully reflective, yet upbeat, key tinkled pop out of ‘The World May Never Know’, through the maudlin blues acoustic led ballad of ‘Dutchman Falls’, to the crooked jaunty acid indie folk trip of ‘Fools Life’. You display depth emotion and heart skipping through genres with abandon. How do you remember this album? And do you agree that it represents Dr Dog at your most varied?

Zach:  I guess that’s probably true, at least stylistically.  We recorded that in our home recording style in the basement of my house where we practiced.  There was still a lot of trial and error and we didn’t really know how to do a lot of stuff so we had to come up with workarounds, like recording drums and cymbals separately.  On top of that the songs were from all different times so there were a lot of different perspectives on display there.

9.  How do you want leave people feeling after they have witnessed one of your live shows? 

Zach: Happy.

   

Shudderwall go large on viral marketing

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Last Updated on Wednesday, 12 May 2010 05:38 Written by Ken Foster

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It's not every band that gets contacted by multi platinum producers from the US, but that's exactly what happened to Nice, France based outfit Shudderwall. Not only was Scott Mathews (The Beach Boys, David Bowie, Jimmy Buffet, Eric Clapton, Elvis Costello, Ry Cooder, Robert Cray, John Fogerty, Jerry Garcia etc etc) impressed, but he decided to jump on the next plane to Nice and record the band.

We caught up with the 3 piece to find out the details and how it all came about:

Strummer: I despise pigeonholing and genre's in general so before taking a stab at describing your music could you elaborate a little on your influences.
 
Florence: We want to stay as original as possible, but there are a lot of artists that we love, from very different styles: Queen, Metallica, Elton John, Rage Against The Machine, The Beatles.
 
Strummer: After listening to the album I could certainly hear a Death Metal vibe but other bands that came into my head were My Bloody Valentine, The Pixies, Mudhoney, Nirvana and Rage Against The Machine. There is also a subtlety which indicates a distinct originality in some of the songs such as Not Your Way which has delicate picking in amongst the mayhem. How did this writing style evolve?.
 
Emmanuel: As said previously, we are open to every kind of good music and so we love to blend different styles and at the same to keep our own musical identity, even sometimes inside a same song, indeed like in Not Your Way, or Dangerous Minds.
 
Strummer: One reference you may not have had but which caught my ear was on the slower track The World Is So Grey which reminded me of The Monochrome Set circa Strange Boutique. How aware were you of the British Punk and Post Punk movements?
 
Christophe: We didn't know this band, thanks for this discovery! It's always interesting to discover other bands especially as we know that  the British and Post Punk movements have marked music history.

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Strummer: You have chosen to sing and write in English despite being French. was that a concious decision made at the outset?
 
Emmanuel: yes, since the beginning we chose English because it sounds better than French for our music. Also, more people worldwide can understand us and be touched by our lyrics.
 
Strummer: Are the cookie monster vocals a nod towards Napalm Death and the Death Metal genre?
 
Florence: in some extent they are, but still, they remain melodic. And we mix these kind of vocals with a music which is also more melodic (more rock than metal).
 
Strummer: It must have been a dream come true when Scott Mathews agreed to record and produce you. How did that come about and what was the experience of recording with him like?
 
Emmanuel: we sent some of our demo songs to Scott, he was impressed and flew from San Francisco to Nice in southern France to record the album with us. It was a great experience because thanks to him, we gave the best of us and of our songs, and at the same time he totally respected our musical aspirations.
 
Strummer: Having toured in the US and UK with a Mathews produced album, how did you find the shows went?
 
Christophe: (in fact we toured UK and Italy) the shows went very well, people are very positively surprised to see a French band playing such a kind of music. As well, they appreciate a lot that the 3 members of the band sing, the importance given to the vocals are very important for the audience.
 
Strummer: You seem to be big on viral marketing and judging by the number of interviews, tv appearances and reviews you've had I guess this kind of self-marketing is really working for you.?
 
Emmanuel: yes indeed, we have been broadcasted on more than 100 radios and other media in the 5 continents. Our exposure and fanbase are increasing since we have 1 million views and 40,000 fans on our Myspace and what we want now is to catch the eye of a Major label to make things even bigger.
 
Strummer: With the music industry self-imploding how do you see the future in terms of developing your career?
 
Florence: more and more music will be heard through internet, but we think a strong structure (particularly a Major label, or a big independent) is still necessary for a band to succeed in music industry. As well, the use of our music for films or TV spots is another kind of outlet for us.
 
Strummer: What does 2010 hold in store for Shudderwall? Another album? Any chance of another UK visit?
 
Christophe: we have a lot of songs ready to be recorded, but for the moment there's no new release planned because we want to be signed on a big label that would support the distribution of our CD and its promotion. But people can already listen to our new songs (a new one every week) on our Myspace page (www.myspace.com/shudderwall ), as well as our videos. Yes there is a chance of another UK visit, and we will keep you aware when we know exactly. Ken, many thanks to you for this interview, and to all the readers of Strummer Magazine! 

   

Gagging for Imogen Heap

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Last Updated on Saturday, 19 December 2009 16:08 Written by Becki

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From sound decks to tweet decks, studios and status updates, Imogen Heap has had monumental success. Recently hailed as ‘The Download Queen’, her latest album ‘Ellipse’ has sent download into overload, making her one of the most successful independent artists in the UK. With ‘First Train Home’ set to storm the download charts once again, the queen herself discusses terrible parties, working with Mika and why Twitter is something to tweet about.

 

It is with trepidation that I answer the phone; what is there to ask a woman who consistently has thousands of fans monitoring her every moment online? My fears are unfounded, a simple ‘hello’, a brief moment of standard speakerphone misbehaviour and we are on the same page. This is perhaps what has made Imogen the idol for independent artists that she is. A history of youtube blogging and regular Twitter communication with her fans has radiated her charm to the world. Speaking to her over the phone, it becomes clear that the sweetness in her voice merely echoes her personality. ‘I owe a lot to the people following my blogs’, she says of her fans. ‘People have been following the production of the album through Twitter, and they’re absolutely gagging for it.  People following every process of making the record has made the album almost like a wound up spring, and people are ready to go and get it’.

 

It is such acknowledgement of the important influence of her fan base that sets Imogen aside. It becomes clear from listening to her talk so passionately about her fans that their input is almost as important as hers. ‘The thing about Twitter and Myspace is, it makes it apparent how different the market is from even four years ago. Music’s more accessible; people can really follow what you’re doing.’

 

Where so many artists seek comfort in the care of a producer, Heap has always taken an independent stance.  ‘I wrote my first album when I was 17’, she modestly declares, ‘and it’s just been a bit mad since then really. I’ve always done this on my own terms’. On her role as a producer and working with former Frou Frou partner Guy Sigsworth she says, ‘a producer has a specific role when they work with an artist. I didn’t want to work with Guy on my first album because I didn’t want him to smother me, but I ended up learning so much from him. I don’t see myself as producing; it’s just that it all comes together. At the same time as writing I’m starting to actually hear it, it’s not producing the record, it’s making a song’.

 

Independent she may be, but her collaborations are legendary. Having worked with artists as diverse as Bon Jovi, Jon Hopkins and Matt Willis, it would be difficult one might assume, to pick a favourite. ‘My favourite collaboration I would have to say would be working with Urban Species on a song called blanket. It just felt so comfortable; it’s something I really enjoyed working on. What amazed me about that was finding out that I could actually write without writing for myself, and that was a great realisation to have at 17. Very recently of course I’ve been working with Mika and I just adore him, he’s a lovely guy to be around, and he’s a great artist.’

 

 It would seem that her collaborations are as diverse as her projects; from theatre to film, television to instrumentals, her music has become a hybrid for performance and diversity. ‘I want to make music that’s not just background noise as you drive past cars. I want to make music that leaves space for other things to happen. Pop music just shouts at you, it’s in your face. I like giving it another context’.

 

If Imogen’s musical style is eclectic and theatrical, it would seem that her newly released album ‘Ellipse’ is to be no exception. On ‘First Train Home’, the first single to be released from the album, she comments, ‘it felt right to release it first; it just feels like a good introduction to the rest of the mix. I was in Brighton for the night, I had been stressed in the studio when my friend rings me up and says “I never see you anymore, please come to my party”. I’d been working all day, and decided to just go, but I just couldn’t have a good time. Everyone was in a good mood, I felt like I was just putting a downer on the party, but I was stuck there. I eventually went to check the train times, and the first train home was at something like ten to six, I just knew I had to get home. As soon as I got back, I started playing the piano and wrote the song. It’s a good introduction.’ Ironic that such sour celebration produced such a critically celebrated single.

 

As artists as successful as Imogen Heap in the world of independent music know, to have a hit is to eternally live up to it. ‘Hide and Seek’, has become the iconic song of her career. It has become the yard stick to which songs are measured against, and with ‘Hide and Seek Version Two’ and Jason DeRulo’s sample ‘Watcha Say’ to add extra publicity to the song, it was always going to be a challenge to create something with as much impact. ‘Hide and Seek had a complete life of its own’ says Heap, ‘I love hearing it in a different context, and I love the context it was in. The way people responded to that song was so unexpected. It had so many legs, it was unreal. Out of the new album, I think the song that people will respond to, and the song with the most play is Half Life’.

 

At the peak of career, with over 1,500,000 followers on Twitter and dedicated fans across the globe, Ellipse is set to be yet another jewel in the Download Queen’s crown; and long may she reign over us.

 
   

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